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Yahoo Ad Crawler Stresses Servers for Quality Score

Posted on July 9, 2009 by Chad

Recently, our web server was brought down because it was hit a great deal from Yahoo's Ad crawler all at once.  It seems that the crawler hit close to 200 landing pages, simultaneously, several hundred times, in response to a very large upload of new keywords and ad groups to our Yahoo SEM account.  For obvious reasons, the crawler was hitting the landing pages to acquire data about the keyword landing pages and to assign a quality score for those keywords.  What’s unclear is why the heck the crawler hit us all once!?  

I have never seen this happen with Google and I have done far larger uploads with Google AdWords than what was done in this particular instance with Yahoo.  Yahoo's crawler seemed to be acting strange so I sent in a support ticket about this issue.  The response I got back was that the Ad crawler was working as normal and that we should limit how much we should upload at a time.  When questioning Yahoo support as to what would be a recommended or a suggested number of keywords to upload? Yahoo replied "there is not an estimate that we can safely suggest, as it largely depends on each servers bandwidth and capacity" Really...thanks for your help.

Well first let’s look at what I have learned so far?  Not to upload thousands of keywords at one time with Yahoo. Yahoo's Ad crawler will take down our websites.  When the crawler does take down our website or websites Yahoo is of little or no help in troubleshooting the problem. One more thing that I was able to discover, with Yahoo's assistance (kudos to them), was how to block the crawler from hitting our website.  This is definitely a solution but definitely not a recommended one.  I am positive that my quality scores for my keywords would be fairly high. I would like the minimum bids for those keywords to reflect that by having a low minimum bid.  So blocking the crawler keeps my web server up, but will impact "Yahoo's ability to evaluate the relevance of your landing pages to your keywords and ads," this was taken straight out of yahoo's help page.

I am not really fond of taking the crawler out of the issue. Yahoo's crawler may have its problems, but it does seem to act faster in determining a decent quality score for the keywords.  From my experience, Google's quality score is based by an overtime matrix.  Yahoo seems to take it a step further and tries to get an immediate deserving quality score by using their crawler.  

For now I have to find the balance between optimizing the number of keywords uploaded to Yahoo search marketing and keeping our server from being owned by the crawler.  There are pros to having an instant quality score but the consistency seen in Google’s method is also commendable, if only these two companies were working together…

 


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The Building Blocks of eCommerce and Internet Retailing: 10 Basic Concepts I Learned as an Intern

Posted on October 1, 2008 by Interns

Our second addition of Intern Week posts is brought to us by Kelli.  You may realize this while reading the post but in case you don’t, she was the ornery one of the bunch.  I personally enjoyed having her around as I finally had another girl participating on the basketball court amongst the many guys that play.

- Vanessa

Why would one want to do free busy work for a company when another company could pay for the work to be done? This whole internship shindig isn’t all sunshine and roses. We get stuck in between the bathrooms with all the ants, and even the day to day Surplusers call the intern section of the office the “dungeon”. What good can come out of all of this?

These thoughts definitely crossed my mind when I took on this internship, but I quickly realized that it is probably one of the best learning experiences I have had to date. There is not one collegiate class that I have taken that has measured up to the amount of information that I have acquired through this internship. Here at the Surplus, there is probably about two years worth of information thrown at you in the time span of about two or three weeks. After I and my fellow interns felt comfortable with all the information thrown at us, we then have the opportunity to put it to work. Employees around the Surplus then ask us interns to help them, at which point, we let our knowledge shine. This helps us further understand the information we have been given, as well as giving us real life situations to utilize these different concepts.

Here are just ten of the many things that I have learned about at the Surplus:

 

  1. Keywords - Keywords are the words that individuals may use to search for different items on search engines and websites. When thinking of different key words we had to stretch our minds and think about all the different ways a user may search for the keywords we were targeting.
  2. eCommerce - Basically eCommerce consists of things that are bought or sold through the Internet and other computer networks. eCcommerce is important to understand, considering that in this generation more and more companies are getting started by establishing their business on the Internet.
  3. HTML - HTML stands for HyperText Markup Language. I found this concept especially difficult to understand, and implement successfully. From my perspective HTML is basically the matrix like gibberish that creates an internet page.
  4. Pay Per Click - Pay Per Click (PPC) is paid links that are placed on websites, mostly search engines, as advertising. Each time these links are clicked the site owner pays the website a designated fee. The websites that advertise for retailers gain money from the clicks and the advertisee gets increased traffic.
  5. Google Adwords - Adwords is the PPC Google advertising platform.
  6. Buying/How to guides - Too many websites have products that people know nothing about.  What better way to teach consumers about the products than with a buying or how to guide? These are exceedingly important for those who are trying something new. Buying guides tell the prospective buyer what they may need for different products they may be planning to buy as well as possible problems they may need to look out for. How to guides are exactly what it sounds like, they tell you how to do a certain activity, with simple, clear, step-by-step directions.
  7. Importance of Content - Good websites that are trying to sell things should have content that appeals to the prospective buyers. The website should not just be trying to fill in space and make their site look longer and more knowledgeable.  The content needs to be easy to understand yet contain specific information as it relates to the products or services offered by the internet retailer. Everything that is said on the page should be organized and flow. Pages with content that is all over the place are confusing to the readers, consequently this will shy away potential buyers from the website.
  8. Importance of Pictures - Pictures seem like such an easy thing for websites to master, yet almost every website has flawed pictures. Obviously when making a buying decision the images with the best colors, details, and views becoming increasingly important. Overall pictures can make or break a sale. Even after the sale, if a customer receives his or her product and is unhappy that the picture was different then the actual product received, the consumer will likely return the product and possibly never purchase from your website again.
  9. Food is Key - I have worked a few different jobs, never have I seen such a happy bunch of employees, the reason…FOOD! Hungry employees can lead to grumpy employees. Stuffed employees can lead to happy employees.
  10. Get the Food Fast - The people at the Surplus are savages. Consequently, when a new shipment of food comes in you have to run to get what you want.

For those that are considering starting an internship program, I have one tidbit of advice, it is better to not think of an internship as pro-bono work, but as a regular job, in which you get paid in knowledge verses money. 

- Intern Kelli

 

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Ryan's Randomness for the Week of September 19th, 2008

Posted on September 19, 2008 by Archives
Ahoy ecommerce mateys! Arrrrrrr you ready to stop talking like a pirate yet? Today is Talk like a Pirate Day in case you didn't get the memo. Looks like everyone at Bruce Clay showed some spirit. Oh yea, Tim was quite sure to inform me of UCLA's historical defeat last weekend (tosses face paint into trashcan) and how USC stomped the Buckeyes.
 
  • Vanessa suggests you read an article discussing the recent stock market activity and your online business. Hey! Since when was I classified as "cheap talent"?
  • One of the largest players in our vertical, Home Depot recently announced price cuts to gain back customers and help lift weak sales. What are leaders in your niche doing to combat slow economic times?
  • I want to give a shout out to my friend Nathan Decker of Evogear.com who is a new dad. Congratulations! Can't wait to see the little one on the slopes with you.
  • Hopefully all you expert SEM Managers out there noticed the new AdWords Quality Score changes go live. I was curious to see how well my keywords were doing relative to other advertisers. It doesn't appear that we were hurt at all, in fact I have lots of keywords with very high scores. Thanks to my AdWords Team for the tips on account structure! 

    Google AdWords Team and Ryan
     

  • In case you are directionally challeged, Google Maps for Mobile has just what you need! New features include street view, as if you couldn't just look up from your phone and see for yourself.
  • Maybe I talk too much on the phone and this is just a sign to save me from going over my minutes but my BlueAnt Supertooth Light bluetooth car speakerphone broke and now I'm on my third one. The product provides exceptional call quality, but there may have been some sort of production issue with the previous one's I had. Their great customer service shone bright when they sent me a new one via next day air with a prepaid return slip inside. That's how customer service should be done.
  • I thought about using more text messages but prices have been increasing year after year. See what our Senate is doing to help.
  • OutdoorPros.com was the first "copy and paste" to launch a new vertical for us. As we've shared with the folks at Internet Retailer we have been working to create additional websites for new product lines. Earlier this week I happened to run across this great comic from Drew at Toothpaste for Dinner and I couldn't help but worry about when we launch the next site or about Lisa Barone if she get's another cat... 

    Comic: More than 3 and you might be crazy

  • New Microsoft commercials (thanks Andy) are out. I couldn't help but think about my grandma using her PC to rent Netflix.
  • Excited about Chrome but don't want to leave your FireFox plugins behind? Matt Cutts put together some creative solutions for you to have your cake and eat it to, sort of.
  • "I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller" (to the tune of "I wish" by Skee-Lo), but really I wish I was a bigger blogger so I could go to BlogWorld Expo. If you're a blogger looking to make some cash as an affiliate, be sure to check out the panel with Shawn Collins, Tim Jones and Mike Allen titled Affiliate Marketing Secrets for Bloggers.
 
Whether you are watching football or going to the fair, have a great weekend everyone.
 
 
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